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Scott Douglas's avatar

Patient's perspective here:

I've never had a nuanced discussed with my PCP about medications (or pretty much anything else). The same is true of pretty much everyone I've discussed this big-picture issue with. So while I appreciate the care that it appears that you and some of the commenters here show with patients, that might be the exception.

As for statins in particular, my experience reinforces the general point I made above: I'm a 61-year-old male, a daily runner for 47 of them, weigh what I did in college, no symptoms of chronic disease. My LDL is high enough that it ranks as "elevated." My PCP has twice (via his employer's message portal, not in person) said this means I should be on statins. No discussion of options, no discussion of how the LDL relates to my HDL and triglyceride numbers (which are in the "excellent" range). He knows I run a lot, so he's not going to recommend being more active. But we've not once discussed diet or any other factors. (I weigh 130, so between that and the running he probably thinks I live on oak bark.)

So I just wanted to provide a little insight why some (who have nothing to do with Paleo, etc.) are skeptical. This guy looks at one number and immediately starts talking about medication. Ideally, I would ask, "Can you show me data on people in my demographic with my numbers and activity level and symptoms, and show that statins made a significant difference in MI risk compared to those who didn't take them?" But come on, I get 15 minutes with him once a year. There's no point in even asking the question.

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I think a contributing factor might be that the average layman is not educated in either research design or in statistics, and I wish these topics (at a basic level) were mandatory in high school. Patients only care about what will happen to THEM, while doctors base intervention decisions on population level data because currently, they don't have a sufficiently accurate prediction model as to who will benefit and who will not. For those with high LDL but hesitant to take a statin, getting a CAC score could help. (Seeing the atherosclerosis in my heart was very motivating!).

As for individualizing treatment decisions, there is one thing that CAN be done (but usually isn't). When I first went on a statin, even a high dose was not enough to sufficiently lower my LDL, and my liver enzymes were elevated. Luckily I listened to a podcast with lipidologist Dr. Thomas Dayspring and learned about the Cholesterol Balance Test from Boston Heart, which can be ordered online from Empower Dx and taken at home. The test indicated that I was a cholesterol hyperabsorber, and thus Ezetimibe would work better for me than a statin (and it has, although I still take a low dose statin, since absorption and production can adapt somewhat in a homeostatic manner). Ezetimibe is as cheap as a statin and without the same side effects, and works better than a statin for the roughly 20% of us who are cholesterol hyperabsorbers. Why don't more doctors seem to know this?

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.123.031865

https://bostonheartdiagnostics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/02031115-CBT-Treatment-Algorithm_160108.pdf

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